Wednesday, August 12, 2020

(Rant) Levels of Determinism

This is a very random, off topic rant. I hate deterministic arguments against free will, but not the subject itself. I have no strong qualms one way or another, I just hate the argument because there are many potential LEVELS of determinism that is either ignored- in most arguments of determinism versus free will the concept of determinism is used broadly to apply that everything happens because of something else and as such there is no free will; my problem here isn't with that argument but because there are many potential LEVELS where the “you don't have free will because of this mechanic” could be stated to be the level or mechanic that actually stops the free will from happening. What annoys me about this is that it does matter where this breakgap happens, and nobody seems to want to talk about it.

Once again, I'm not a philosopher nor do I have any strong belief in this topic that I am trying to share, this is a very nitpicky post. I was almost going to call this a Vagueposting but it's a bit too short for that and, instead, I'll just type this up real quick.

Levels of Determinism- Roughly scaling from most absolute or wide spread to least.
Level 1- Cosmic / Physics Determinism
In this level of Determinism, everything in the physical universe has already be set in motion since the big bang and will act exactly according to how the laws of physics will interact with it in a predictable way, therefore the entire universe from birth to death is deterministic. The idea here is that everything is set in motion at the start of the universe and as such everything is already pre-determined- it's not so much that free will doesn't exist because the laws of physics work one specific way, but free will doesn't exist because everything in the universe has a set trajectory that will not change.

You could also rope in a God figure in this deterministic level, but since God would set the entire universe and everything outside the universe (such as souls and the nature of the afterlife) then God would be an even higher level of determinism, a tier 0 if you will.

Level 2- Chemical Determinism
In this possible level of determinism, the physical laws of reality may have room for random chance, but all chemical reactions and interactions of particles have a set and specific way they can and will interact. Note- this level does not discount the first level of determinism, the idea is that the fundamental particles of the universe may act with randomness or not necessarily be pre-determined, but free will still doesn't exist because the way these particles will interact and form bonds/living things is pre set and will forever be the same. The random nature of elementary particles means that the movement of the universe isn't necessarily deterministic, but chemical mechanics means things are deterministic for living things and the ability to have free will. There is a minor distinction between these two concepts, which is why they are separate levels.

Level 3- Genetic Determinism
In this level of determinism, all actions are predetermined because of the genetic code and lineage of a living thing- you will only react to things in one way given your genes. This includes nature and nurture, because the way you react to stimuli and are raised to change your behavior is already predetermined by your genes. In this hypothetical level of determinism, you don't have free will because your genes determine everything. If you had a perfect clone of yourself that had your exact same upbringing with everything being identical, they would be the exact same as you.

Level 4- Nurture Determinism
In this level of determinism, you don't have free will because your past experiences shaped the way you see the world and react to things, thus your ability to make decisions isn't truly free will but simply a logical and emotional response to the way you were molded as a thinking person. Note that this level of determinism is separate from genetic determinism, because in genetic determinism your reaction to the world is encoded in your genes and thus no free will is possible, where as in this level it is your experiences that shaped you (usually along with your genes to some extant) that make up the basis for all of your decision making. You don't have free will because of that as opposed to a purely genetic, chemical, or cosmological basis.

The reason why I made this is because I get annoyed at the lack of specificity of philosophical arguments. Any one of these could be the “block” that stops people from being able to have free will, but yet they don't seem to be discussed very much as opposed to just being swept into the grander picture of an "unbroken chain of cause and effect". Any one of them could be the argument!

4 comments:

  1. These levels are strongly colinear if not casually related, to the point that they don't seem very parsimonious. What would genetic determinism be in the absence of chemical determinism? Does it even make sense to think of physical and chemical processes as independent? What even is nurture determinism independent of physical or chemical processes (which is to say, everything...). These aren't even really determinism questions per se.

    These also don't per se acknowledge the possibility of determinism as an interaction, or as a statistically emergent phenomenon. In regards to the former, it would probably make more sense to think of what you call genetic and nurture determinism as interactive effects rather than main effects. The latter is sort of a whole thing in its own right but I guess is maybe an argument for some kind of determinism even if physics is technically probabilistic.

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  2. Interesting. My personal quibbles with determinism come from the fact that beside being philosophically interesting and of some application on the more local level, it is damned near useless to get all esestiantial about it since you as human being cannot readily distinguish between having and not having free will.

    This mostly comes out of annoyance with those who use determinism as an excuse for apathy. It is of course, still valuable from a philosophical stand point but it gets misapplied far too often for my tastes.

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    1. (meant to type existential there)

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    2. Ya agreed. I consider myself philosophically a determinist (with some caveats such as in regards to the aforementioned probabilistic stuff) but that doesn't really factor into my real world decision making, for the reasons you state.

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